Take Our Poll: Should Joe Paterno's Statue Be Removed?
Critics of the Penn State child rape scandal are calling for JoePa's statue to be taken down. What do you think?
Last week's scathing report presented by former FBI Director Louis Freeh shed light on what some call the gruesome side of Pennsylvania State University and its officials.
Reaction has been swift, steady and strong. For example, a halo that once crowned Joe Paterno's head on a campus mural was removed last weekend.
Once a hero, the nearly sainted head football coach has almost literally been knocked off his pedestal.
What do you think?
Should the famous statue of Joe Paterno at Penn State be removed?
jet godfrey
5:27 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
It sounds to me as though the mind set now is "Let's smear Joe. He can't stop us now." Mr. Paterno was not an eyewitness to any molestation by Jerry Sandusky. Mr. Paterno was told about it by a 3rd party - hearsay. He took what he had been told & reported to those higher up in the chain of command, trusting that they would do the right thing and report it to the police.
Could Mr. Paterno have done more? He should have followed up to make sure the superiors he reported the incident to had notified the police. I do not believe Mr. Paterno would be party to a cover up, ever. He was a very smart man and would have realized that trying to hide the facts would only make things worse. Stop trying to smear JoPa.
slyfox
11:48 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
No one is trying to smear JoPa. He did that all by himself.
Victoria Sefranek
5:00 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
I agree. As heinous as the crime was, Joe did not do it. And, at his age he was following what the attitude of the times was. It was wrong, but he stood for so much good and did so much good, let the statue stand for all that was good...and as a reminder that never again should such a thing or any other immoral act be ignored. He made a terrible error in judgement - Let the university change it's ways and policies and never let it happen again.
Batwoman
5:32 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
This entire scandal is such a mess, like trying to undo a massive tangled ball of string. I too feel for all the people involved. That being said, I have to ask myself how I feel about a well loved and well respected person knowing what he did and choosing not to come forward. Was his choice not to come forward a personal one, a political one or a direct order from the front office in order to save the face of the University? Perhaps we’ll never know. But I do know this, when you are put in a position of power it is your responsibility to “do the right thing” always. So we have to ask ourselves did he do the right thing by helping to hide the truth for more than a decade. I guess it helped him keep his job and allowed more time for the University to devise ways to keep sweeping the truth under their blue and white carpet. There are two kinds of heroes: those who truly are heroes and those who fake it. Is Mr. Paturno a hero deserving of undying praise and blind devotion? On the field perhaps he was, but for me, his integrity will always remain in question.
Rich
6:35 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Why is the familes and the police not being smeared. They all knew this. Were they threatened or paid off or just talked out of it?
Mariella Savidge
10:52 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
I think it's so interesting that the 24 votes so far are split right down the middle.
slyfox
11:30 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
It should stand as a reminder that everyone is not what they appear to be.
George
11:39 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Do any of those who support Joe have children? How might your feelings change if a child of yours was a victim of Mr. Sandusky, knowing that Mr. Paterno knew something he hadn't shared with you? How would you have reacted if you knew what Mr. Paterno did? With glory comes responsibility. It seems to me that old Joe dropped the ball at a time it meant the most.
slyfox
11:48 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
I agree, George. It's very difficult for people to see the pain and disgust when it is not close to them.
tamarya
9:47 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
How can a parent not know something is up with their child. We were not talking teenagers in this case, we were talking about elementary kids as victims. As for if something happened to my kids like that I would fight, even if it put me in jail till something was done, not wait a decade .
Mike Faccinetto
12:23 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Let's include then Attorney General Corbett who was involved but felt there wasn't enough evidence to proceed. Why is he never mentioned?
Susan Koomar
12:40 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Mike, please check back tomorrow when Patch will have an interesting column posted raising the issue you've noted. Even some of Gov. Corbett's supporters are still asking tough questions about the role of the AG's office in the Sandusky investigation.
Just Sick and Tired
1:18 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
The fact that the public thinks that the issue is Joe Paterno's reputation just proves that nothing has changed. Football still is more important to some people than it should be, and that's is what caused this mess in the first place. Joe Paterno's is not the victim here, the children were, and those who covered it up for the same of a game should be stripped of any honor since they obviously didn't have any when it counted.
LMTnative
2:37 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
PSU is first and foremost and educational institution. Football and other sports are extra curricular activities and should be treated as such. Athletics at many institutions have become powerful forces that are often seen as too big or important to fail. PSU football should be suspended indefinitely to demonstrate that it is just an extra curricular activity and the University will survive with or without it.
momoatkm
2:02 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
A statute of small children playing happily would be a better one in its place, and a constant reminder that children are dear.
B
2:41 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
@jet Godfrey. The Freeh report shows that Joe Paterno was in discussion about how to handle this mess. He was the one those people in charge listened to. He had the power. It was joe Paterno who 'suggested' they not go to the higher authorities but confront Sandusky and give home the option to go to counseling. He knew what the accusations were, knew the law dictated his superiors report it, yet chose not to 'disgress' the school. Karma baby! His legacy is over. Please remember those boys who suffered for years due to the power Paterno had.
ron
2:47 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
It seems like all the anger is directed at paterno and yes he does deserve his fair share maybe even more. but why is most of the anger directed at him and not at the school president. Not at the athletic director. Not at the assistant coach and two janitors whom actually saw assaults taking place. Not at corbett or his investigators. Not at the parents that knew. not even at the monster himself Jerry sandusky!!!! Yes Paterno made a horrible mistake and was far from being a saint. He put his football program ahead of the children and that should never be forgotten. But he was a good football coach, maybe thats all his statue should remind people of!!
George
6:59 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
I think it's because Paterno is the public face. I haven't seen too many people defending the administrators the way that people defend Paterno. Afterall, this article that we're commenting on is about the Joe Paterno statue. For sure, he was not alone in this problem.
West Side Claire
2:47 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Death Penalty the entire program for 1 year eliminate scholarships for 2 years after that, remove the statue and take the Paterno name off the library
an example must be made that this sort of behavior has consequences
Liberalism is a mental disorder
11:25 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Then make every future coach agree in their contract that they will retire at 65. Paterno knew a scandal would mean the end of his job as head coach. He kept it quiet to save his ass from retirement.
ron
3:10 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Thomas Jefferson and George Washington had many slaves and Martin Luther King was no saint. The people who want to topple the Paterno statue could probally make a good case for tearing down the Washington monument or the Jefferson memorial or Martin Luther King statues. And no im not comparing paterno to any of these great men. Im just saying how about remembering people for the good things they did and try to learn from their mistakes so we dont repeat them and move on. So years from now when people look at the statue they can think yes he was a good football coach who won a lot of games. But when they think about what he did it will remind them that it is important to do the right thing every time. so maybe letting it stand is not a bad idea.
Jeff
3:58 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
I agree, let it stand. In front of it should be another one with a child bent over with Sandusky humpin away at him while Joe pa watches.
Liberalism is a mental disorder
11:24 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
I'm sure Charles Manson did some good deeds.... let's remember him for that.
ron
3:34 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
The only death penalty that should be considered should be for Jerry Sandusky. A death penalty for the football program would just hurt and punish more innocent people, isnt that what we wish would have never happend in the first place. Two wrongs dont make a right. And no, i am not a penn state fan blinded by loyalty. I root for Nortre Dame. Go Irish!!!!
B
3:36 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
The anger IS being directed at Spaino, Curley, etc. They will most likely be going to jail for their mistakes. They still have a pending trial. They aren't being given a free pass. Paterno has been put on a pedestool, which is how PennState got themselves into all this trouble. The tip of the iceberg has not yet been touched. More will fall.
Edwin Feuerstein, Jr.
4:46 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
To take down the statue now would go against the American principal of innocent until proven quilty. If everyone is upset with Joe's actions as presented so far, cover the statue in a protective enclosure until all the facts are considered and brought out in court.
Then depending on the outcome, remove the enclosure and leave it up, if the current uproar proves false. If true and it is justified to take it down, return the statue to the sculptor who put his hard work into it and let him do with it as he wishes.
Based on the current info, the fairest action, to prevent penalizing the innocent would be that the Penn State football program goes ahead this year so that the current players aren't penalized, but so that the school feels the impact of their inaction, all proceeds from the football program including sale of any momentos, souvenirs, etc. this year ((or longer) be put into a program that deals with the prevention of child abuse, rather than going to the Penn State athletic program.
Pat Musselman
7:17 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
If Joe Paterno was such a humble role model, why did he have a statue erected while he was still coaching? Usually statues are put up after the person dies to honor them.
If Penn State would have waited, this would not even be an issue. I say, "Take it down !". The school community needs to move on and not have a constant reminder of the scandal.
George
7:02 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
That's a good point.
EMMAUS FOREVER
2:33 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
No way should it be removed! He was and will always be an icon of Penn State. The real criminal is in jail. Let it go already.
Gerry Kranz
9:49 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
GONE!
Dave B
10:56 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Crimes against children are inexcusable and deserve the harshest punishment. Penn State would be best served in the long term by removing all traces related to this scandal.
This went on for 14+ years. There is also evidence of non-related incidents where Paterno protected players from being punished for criminal behavior (assault).
Personally I see absolutely no difference in Sandusky committing these horrible acts and the football program and school not acting on their knowledge. Their inaction enabled Sandusky to continue to use the football program and facilities to lure his victims. 14 years... and potentially now more coming forward from even earlier. The entire system was at fault, not just Paterno, but DO NOT make excuses for him. He was equally guilty as the other particpants. If Spanier, Curley, or Schultz has statues I would say remove them as well.....
Be prepared for the worst in regards to the football program. This is epic failure of institutional control... the fact that the NCAA has already publicly said they would consider the death penalty is a pretty good bet it may occur. This isn't players getting paid or illegal benefits. This was an institution covering up criminal activities of the highest magnitude. The financial impact to PSU and the Big Ten would be significant, but I don't think the NCAA will want to be seen as soft on this.
Obviously just my opinion.....
Liberalism is a mental disorder
11:23 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
No Penn State football for 14 years.... then start back up at division III
Edwin Feuerstein, Jr.
10:21 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
I think I have the solution. Move the statue to the locker room with Joe facing the entrance to the shower. That way he can still be there to inspire the players, but at the same time he wil be a reminder that abuse of anyone is wrong, will get you in trouble and should not be tolerated.
WILFREDO G. SALCEDO, Sr.
7:17 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Statue has to go and bill the Paterno estate for the service...It is a shame his nice legacy ends up this way...Let this be a lesson to all who value self more than the vulnerable.
Gerry Kranz
9:49 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
HA! THE STATUE IS GONE! Penn State may now move on to repair itself. Hopefully, the football program will receive a suspension (for a year or two). Let it be a lesson to other institutions with "revered" sports programs to keep them in check.