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Is this Philadelphia Phillies Team Too Old To Win?

Spring training games start Saturday for the Philadelphia Phillies.

They may not be like the 1983 team dubbed "The Wheeze Kids."

But the Philadelphia Phillies squad that takes the field Saturday to start a month's worth of spring training games before Opening Day is getting a little grayer around the edges.

These aren't your World Champion Phillies of five years ago.

Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Carlos Ruiz and Cole Hamels are seasoned veterans now who have gone through the past few years nursing injuries and massaging egos after a season last year that put them out of playoff contention for the first time in a half-dozen years.

Throw in Roy Halliday and Cliff Lee and this roster is really starting to look on the long side of 30.

But don't tell Ryan Howard that. The Big Fella basically has been telling anyone within earshot that the Phils will be Fightin' once again -- and showing the rest of the NL East that they're not dead yet.

Maybe, just maybe the baseball will bounce the right way this year, like over fences or over the plate for lots of strikes.

Maybe, just maybe, Howard and Utley can bounce back from major injuries and show off the form that made them MVP winners and candidates.

Maybe, just maybe, Halliday and Lee will shine as the starter studs they once were, when batters feared to even step into the box against these two great competitors.

Maybe. A lot of maybes.

The Phils even acquired a fellow named Young to play third base.

But ex-Texas Rangers star Michael Young is old too, like 36. Rollins is no spring chicken anymore either.

So this might just be the last chance -- the last stand -- this bunch can make before the Phils go the route of youngsters like new centerfield Ben Revere, outfielder Domonic Brown, Darin Ruf and a whole bullpen full of up-and-comers.

Anyway, like any baseball team, hope springs eternal and spring training offers that hope -- a rebirth -- a new season where the possibilities are endless.

Could another World Series championship be one of those?

It all depends on whether Howard and Utley can play a whole year injury-free, whether Hamels can take charge as the staff ace, whether Rollins can get this party started at the top of the lineup and whether Halliday and Lee can hold up their end of the bargain. And, then, of course, can the bullpen back it all up.

Maybe, just maybe.

David Franklin February 22, 2013 at 07:42 pm
"Is this Philadelphia Phillies Team Too Old To Win?"
Yes. Ground balls, line drives, and fly balls are going to be ricocheting off of all the walkers in the field whenever the Phillies are on defense.
Mike Shortall February 23, 2013 at 04:29 am
Not yet
Joe Sommers February 23, 2013 at 05:06 pm
To all you naysayers and the bandwagon crowd ....ALL ABOARD .. The resurgence of the Phillies is about to unfold. : WHY ???
-Halliday/Lee/Hamels..still best 1,2,3 rotation in MLB. Halliday IS healthy. -Bullpen better than last years disaster, Charley uses them often to preserve his rotatation. -Howard injury is completely healed. Utley is in great shape. - Bench has been solidified .Howard/Utley/Rollins get rested. - Mike Young two years ago posted big numbers and was a Gold Glove 3rd baseman not that long ago. - Charley has option to platoon LF & RF . If combined output gets .260- 80 RBI's they will be fine. - Chooch has developed into top tier catcher and can call a game like no one else. - Core of this team knows how to win in the playoffs. - Analysts of written off this bunch . Predict 83 wins. Lst years rag /tag group had best 2nd half in MLB to salvage an otherwise miserable season. Prediction: 89 -90 wins and a wildcard birth.
David Curran February 23, 2013 at 05:56 pm
I share your enthusiasm Joe, but they are in a hard division. Definitely ready for some baseball though.
james koslosky February 23, 2013 at 08:16 pm
they're definitely post season bound. i like there make up.
Richard Weisgrau February 23, 2013 at 09:55 pm
I went to my first Phillies game in 1947. I was 5 years old. I watched the Whiz Kids and Wheeze Kids over the years. I watched Charlie's gang sang all those titles. I watched last year's horrible season. I have no idea how they will do this season. I hope for the best, but even if it turns out bad, the Phillies have been my team for 66 years. I guess that is why I don't see the oldest of them as too old to play. Here's hoping.
Carol DiJoseph February 23, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Staying healthy is a huge key and injuries can happen to anyone anytime so that always remains an dangerous unknown. In the meantime I take some solace in the knowledge that age brings sagacity, and being savvy frequently trumps youth and inexperience. 2012 did end on a hopeful note; enough of a good note to make any fan anxious to see if they can keep it going in 2013.
Harry February 28, 2013 at 05:01 pm
As long as they stay healthy can't see why they shouldn't be in the running. Their talent level is as good as any.
Joe Sommers March 2, 2013 at 03:45 pm
I love what I'm seeing in Clearwater .Quiet Confidence amongst the core players. Rotation is pitching well already.D. Brown coming alive. For what its worth ...The Analysts have been wrong about this team for the last couple of years. They will be wrong again this year thinking their age will ultimatley do them in. Phillies are ranked 16th amongst the 32 ML teams. Take a look at the rosters of those teams from 1-16 and tell me that the analysts have their heads screwed on straight. All of this outside negativity will fuel this teams desire to win. In addition. This is Charley's final year of his contract . The players love playing for Charley and I believe will bust it to insure a successful season.

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Ervin Kistler June 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm
To me, part of the problem is the arrogance of some of the players. It seems that they can do asRead More they please, don't be a team player, to try and maintain their stats and forget about the team. I hear the announcers questioning the positioning of the outfielders. Question where are the coaches? Granted the players are supposed to be professionals and know what they should be doing, but even the best need help at times.
Cecilia Fritz June 18, 2013 at 10:19 am
Perhaps if the pay scale changed to an incentive type scale - pay as you win, or pay for a cleanRead More drug test things may change. I am amazed at the salaries these persons are getting and the performance just does not match up.
Intheweeds June 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Unfortunately, Utley has zero trade value since he's in the last year of his contract. You sayRead More "thanks", give him a gold watch and let him sign in the AL as a DH and spot 1B/2B. You aggressively shop Howard to the AL, where he can DH. You eat 3/4ths of his contract to do so. You bring up Ruf to play 1B. You trade Papelbon to a contender. Unless somebody floors you, keep Lee.
Ruin Tomorrow Jr June 8, 2013 at 06:12 pm
the Phillies are a garbage team just like Miami and Milwaukee
Mike Shortall June 10, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Anyone who follows the game and this team KNEW they had to play very, very good fundamental baseballRead More and stay very, very healthy to contend. So far neither has happened consistently enough, though there have been flashes of it for short stretches. I worry more about the injury bug right now because it robs the team of those who - in the recent past - have been more consistent (Utley, Ruiz, even Kratz, not so much Doc). That being said, there's still a lot of baseball left and plenty of time to decide whether to be Buyers or Sellers in July. 8 1/2 games out is not a good sign, but it's still too early to selling guys off. And I definitely wouldn't trade a Domonic Brown at this point regardless. They'll need someone to build around if they do decide to sell off eventually.
Joe Sommers June 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Your on Drugs Ruin Tomorrow. Miami is garbage ...The Mets are juts as bad. , The Nationals areRead More right with the Phillies. The entire NL is mediocre. Trade Domonic Brown???? You know nothing !
Ike May 26, 2013 at 01:22 pm
Thanks for the memeriores ... LIKE BOB HOPE WOULD SING..... It was fun...,TIME TO RELOAD,, OR TIMERead More TO TRY ONE LAST BIG MOVE BEFORE THEY ARE ALL GONE....
metsfan May 28, 2013 at 01:03 pm
fire ruben
John May 29, 2013 at 11:20 am
Funny, when the fightins were winning, Phillies medical staff was taking all of the bows. Now thatRead More they can't keep 9 guys on the field, where are is all of the blame? Can't have the good with the bad, just like the Phoenix Suns medical staff. Taking credit for doing your job and being VERY, VERY LUCKY! As the Fightins age, expect more injuries to occur. Maybe it's time to change the medical staff along with the head guy....nice runs boys, but the end needs to come sooner or later, and maybe next time a bit more humility during your success, and less spotlight, so when challenges like this season come along, you aren't the focus of why nobody is getting better.
David Curran May 24, 2013 at 03:28 am
I can't figure out why Norm Snead or Roman Gabriel were not considered. :) All kidding aside, ifRead More Mcnab had better receivers, I think that would have put the Eagles over the top. Reid waited to long to get a top flight receiver.
Here and Now May 27, 2013 at 01:29 am
go phillies
la verdad es una droga May 29, 2013 at 05:58 pm
go phillies.....all the way to .500 ball.....if we're lucky.
KEN MORGAN May 11, 2013 at 01:56 pm
It's a shame that the Philies don't have at least three World Championships under Chump Charlie.Read More With the Talent and Pitching he has had aTony LaRussa, or a Joe Torre caliber Manager .They should of had a mini-dynasty. Why didn't they go for Jim Leland when they had a chance. As a long retired player Charlie does not know how to manage stratigic basball.THEY WILL NEVER WIN PLAYING CHARLIE GOOD OLD BOY BASEBALL. It's time to bring in the Guy in the on-deck circle in NOW.IT'S RYNO TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they go for Jim Leland when they had a chance.
Dino Ciliberti (Editor) May 11, 2013 at 01:57 pm
Tom -- I just read the book "The Rotation," which is all about that year. You should readRead More it. Great stuff.
Tom Kearney May 11, 2013 at 02:18 pm
Thank You, Dino will do! :-)
qatazah May 5, 2013 at 01:24 pm
since chip likes oregan so much why not brang in cliff harris for another shot to if he can make aRead More difference in the secondary?
ben leonard May 5, 2013 at 05:28 pm
Each guy taken in this first Kelly draft serves a purpose, each pick was rated higher than the roundRead More taken Seems each pick has something to prove: I belong here. Blending the free agents Eagles have a perfect set up for hard work, motivation and improvement. I like what Chip has done and look forward to rookie camp next week.
Joe Sommers May 5, 2013 at 06:14 pm
Although I respect Andy Reid... his time in Philly was well passed due. Our suspicions about hisRead More regimes poor drafting skills have been realized in just one draft .Chip Kelly did an outstanding job in the 2013 draft. I bet Howie Rosenman was taking copious notes watching Chip Kelly fill the Eagles needs with precision and stealth..Andy and Howie were the blind leading the blind during recent drafts. Lurie tried hiding the Howie's draft malstrom with his "it wasnt Howies fault speech" but we are smarter than that. I give Lurie credit for hiring Chip Kelly . he is a breath of fresh air.
Tara White May 5, 2013 at 12:14 am
Thats a good question, i i was settle, no one will know, and why because it was hush, hush as usual!
Tara White May 5, 2013 at 12:19 am
You know I have one question, what about the senior citizens that can barely make ends meet, how areRead More they to pay their taxes? I honestly feel that the state should step in, and look at the dirt under the rug so to speak, I bet any amount of money, alot of the employees would resign, and I honestly feel that EASD, should do exactly what Bangor School District is doing, random drug testing! There are some very good teachers that are employed by EASD, and some good employees, but, well all will come to light eventually!
Rasterone May 6, 2013 at 05:10 pm
If a bunch of out of town investors, operators and others in a new housing complex are paying forRead More schools and other local services like fire and police based on an August 28, 1950 agreement that has them paying next to nothing --then seniors as home owners are in big trouble as is every other homeowner in EASD .
Barbara P-K April 29, 2013 at 07:13 pm
Give them a chance...they just swept the Mets. This is only the beginning.
kevin April 29, 2013 at 07:21 pm
4 games back on the best team in the NL with only 136 games to go. Press the panic button!
Joe Sommers April 30, 2013 at 11:39 am
The core of this team won a WS....thats all !They deserve every shot to win another. Here's theRead More lowdown as we come into May. The Braves have come back to the pack ,The Phils are one game behind the vaunted Nationals. What have they ever won Zero ...Nada...NOTHING! Phils starting pitching will be fine. Halladay is close to finidng his new zen. Lee has been good Hamels ALWAY starts slow and has pitched well in his last two starts . Kendrick has been good and so has Pettibone.Bullpen neeeds to improve . Utley and Howard will get close to their historical averages .Phils outfield is coming around offensively.Phils bench has been excellent. CHOOCH is back in the lineup. That will make a huge difference in consistent starting pitching. He calls a great game and knows his pitchers. 162 games is a LOOOOONG season. This team will gel and win 90 games and gain a wild card spot . I'll take any bets on that.Any takers from you naysayers?
Jeff Carlin April 25, 2013 at 07:55 pm
This is the Eagles........expect anything!!
John April 25, 2013 at 09:42 pm
EXACTLY! I feel that this is a tough pick to screw up, and Chip Kelly has to hang his hat on thisRead More one. Likely Joekle since the Chiefs are taking Fisher.
John April 25, 2013 at 09:52 pm
They have to go OLINE. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady can be your QB's and they wouldn't surviveRead More behind that Oline.... I'm not a Vick fan, at all, but that Oline play was pretty brutal last year. we can't keep troting King Dunlap out there.
anonymous April 17, 2013 at 04:23 pm
Oh, Wilkens and Wright can stay. They're players that punch the clock.
John April 17, 2013 at 04:52 pm
I'm pretty sure the writer was kidding about bringing AI back. At least I hope so, good lord what aRead More terrible move that would be. Simon, what are you talking about? He said "How am I supposed to make my teammates better by practice?" Yes, he played hard, but he made NO ONE better.
John April 17, 2013 at 04:53 pm
This is a terrible draft, and the sixers will likely have th 12th pick or so. The only saving graceRead More is that they aren't tied to major contracts, which is great. However, the free agency crop isn't that great either. Sure, Chris Paul is great, but he's not leaving LA. We will suck again next year.
KEN MORGAN April 7, 2013 at 12:08 pm
You can't get in the play-offs without playing team Baseball. If you can't move runners and giveRead More yourself up for a Win you never will. Charlie doesn't understand how to play small ball,it's time for him to say good bye. Welcome in Ryan Sanberg who has been a Winner at all Levels.
WILFREDO G. SALCEDO, Sr. April 8, 2013 at 02:09 pm
Hang in there...Even the iconic Yankees are scraping bottom...Let's all hope that things getRead More better...No place to go but up...GO PHILS!!!
WILFREDO G. SALCEDO, Sr. April 9, 2013 at 11:42 am
Another Phillies loss...The Iron Pigs beat Pawtucket Red Sox (We left the Park when the score wasRead More 5-2, Red Sox!)...If the Pigs can do it, the Big Brothers should be able to do it, too.
GJ April 6, 2013 at 03:15 pm
Why wait for the season to develop? Judge the team based on four games. Don't even bother watchingRead More or following them the rest of the year. After all, most of you have made up your minds.
robert dimascio April 6, 2013 at 06:03 pm
well the start of the season has been a diasapointment the starting pictchng not what it used to beRead More especially holiday, the middle bulpen is terrible. the hitting has improved with brown an revere, michael young does not have that spark that he once had an i like to see delmon young get bac in left field for power
Tom McMenamin April 6, 2013 at 06:13 pm
Robert.....3 main concerns with your statement(s) 1. Spelling is your friend 2. Grammar is yourRead More friend 3.Punctuation is your friend
Joe Sommers March 23, 2013 at 02:11 pm
Analysts and Pundits rank this team at #16 from the 32 MLB teams. GOOD...This team needs to be anRead More underdog. They are #16 because of the perception they wont stay healthy .The biggest concern Halladay. If Halladay doesnt go on extended DL and can pitch 5-6 innings that would be a plus . Kendrick can off set a reduced contribution by Halladay by pitching consistent like he did in the 2nd half of last year. Phillies bullpen needs to prove themselves but make no mistake. This bullpen is light years better than last years slop .Last years group blew 17 games by the All Star break.! The unexpected blossoming of Dom Brown is HUGE. If D. Brown has truly turned the corner the Phillies outfield all of a sudden becomes a strength versus a question mark. Right and Center filed are solid and they can easily platoon left field between Mayberry., Nix and Ruf. The Phillies infield is solid. Howard is 100% and Utley looks rejuvenated and healthy. Young has improved defensively at Third through spring training and is the best pure hitter on the team. Catchers spot is a major strength. Chooch is a top 3 ML catcher who handles the pitching staff well. Kratz is a proven backup with a biig stick and Joseph the Young prospect looks like he will develop into a stud. The bench is solid with Franzen and Galvis. If Charlie uses them frequently he will save the aging infield and keep them healthy for a playoff run. My prediction 90 - 72 and a wild card birth. Maybe another Red October ?
Mike Shortall March 24, 2013 at 02:45 am
They have to be better than last year ... so long as they stay reasonably healthy. One of the weirdRead More twists this year - thanks to realignment between the AL and NL - is a HOME OPENER against Kansas City! Blah ... But can't wait! Our first game in our plan is April 9 vs. the Mutts! Go Phillies!